Great compared to years past but needs some work. How is Southern 23-1-2 ranked behind Stamford 18-7-2 who is 1st. Southern played Barrons A twice and killed their ranking. To heavy emphasis on strength of schedule not on play.
If you can’t cancel games then if you are a 6+ on score predictor and win by that margin the game should not hurt you.
All I can hope is that the best team wins their respective tournament. Please keep in mind that the goal is to put the right teams in the tournament grouping together and let them sort it out. Although the rankings say #3 is better than #4 and #4 is better than #5, I believe this is false precision.
If you look at any of the tightly grouped teams, it is very difficult to say with confidence that any one team is better than another. There is too much volatility with the rosters, the fact that teams improve over time and frankly, the way the puck bounces.
I sincerely hope that the predictor and the ratings made the season more enjoyable for the kids, the fans and the schedulers. That was the original goal.
There are plenty of “A” teams that get beat regularly by “B” teams. If the A team you’re talking about has a better record against like opponents, then your gripe is warranted. Use the score predictor to compare the two teams in question. My guess is your A team isn’t really playing better competition than the B team.
This is funny. An A1 team really is a B team. Organizations use A1 many times instead of B to make people feel better about placement but in the end A1 is still the second team (B).
I would hope the goal difference after 6 goals is not a factor. at the squirt and even PW level we don’t want teams trying to beat teams by 15 goals to prove a point do we? When u have a bomb squad u shouldn’t be scheduling games against anybody but T2 high level teams. It’s no fun for either side.
Formulaically, goal differences beyond 6 do not really help. My original hope was that games like that would not be scheduled. I agree that it is no fun for either team and parents alike.
I think the teams not participating in the chc need to be removed for the eye to see top 8 then top 12 for t2 and t3. Some of the teams like MFF are t1 and won’t participate in states.
Thanks for working on a data-based ratings system. Self tier declaration is not a real indicator of team ability. I think this is a great step forwards for CT hockey
Ok Wednesday is here and the Squirt still not updated. We all have lives and need to know what tournament our kids are playing in. Any idea when this is going to update???????
I recently learned of this site and think whomever runs it is doing a great job. A rating system is always a blend of art and science, and it’s impossible to please everyone. Still, it seems that the objective of providing a better means to gauge the relative strength of teams has been achieved. Quibbling about the difference between one spot in a ranking misses the point of the exercise. Thanks for the hard work.
Except the CHC is using these ranking to determine placement in post season tournaments, so one spot can absolutely make a difference. I agree that the site is a great tool for schedule making and hope that all organizations use it going forward to ensure competitive matchups for the kids. But, when you have a team make the tournament for the top 8 teams in the state when they are under .500, or when you end up with an A1 team ahead of an A team in the same program, there are quite obviously some flaws in using the system to determine Tournament placement.
Some teams will load their schedule against stronger teams. Others will have a mix and some may even play the majority of their games against weaker teams in the state.
If your team plays weaker teams and goes 22-0 making tier 2 top 8 it doesn’t mean they can compete there. It doesn’t even mean they deserve to be there. A few years ago a team went into a tier 3 tournament and blew the doors off. Had this system been implemented back then they would’ve been properly placed against teams alike. This system to some degree takes away from ones ability to manipulate tier placement by loading up on weaker teams accumulating a greater wins to loss ratio.
If you primary play top 8 in state and come away at .500 why should a team playing more games in the 9-20 with a .750 be placed above them? Not really sure it can be done any better than its current state. We should have some degree of gratitude that there is a system in place that is about as fair as it gets.
A1, A, AA it doesn’t really matter anymore. The letter doesn’t score goals. If a program happens to have an A and an A1 that is competitive then that programs A1 may beat many A teams from other programs.
I hope this helped in some way. Pay more attention to head to head results and ignore the letters. If you use the score predictor it will not only show you who’s expected to win but will also provide the amount of goals needed to gain rating points. Scroll down further and it shows alike matchups and results.
What your team is doing compared to other teams based on the goal diff is much more accurate than loading up on a weak schedule, coming away with a bunch of wins and getting slammed in a tier 2 tournament because you didn’t belong there in the first place.
Who do we need to contact for a game that is missing on our ratings. The game is listed on our website and the CHC website but not on here. It’s a game the will help us in the ratings. Please let me know. Thanks. Keep up the good work the ratings based on the top teams in our division are pretty much dead on.
Thank you for your question.
I believe all the games count.
However,
1) a team must play at least 20.
2) if you play the same team twice, only the first 2 games count.
The 2/11 U12 game between Wallingford B and Central B on the game log is wrong. You have listed Wallingford winning 5-3 when Central beat Wallingford 5-4.
Will the game log be attached so that we can review?
Ash
February 23, 2018 at 2:34 pm
Why does CHC have to review them?
Admin
February 23, 2018 at 8:26 pm
i guess they don’t but that is what i have been doing for the past several years.
Puckhead
February 24, 2018 at 6:30 am
Thanks for getting the ratings done – do you know how much longer it typically takes until the brackets are set? Honestly, it’s nuts that some of these kids will have games far from home as early as Wed afternoon requiring them to leave school early and parents and coaches to take time off work, and yet we still have no idea what the schedules are.
Anonymous
February 24, 2018 at 4:31 pm
You really need to explain how these ratings are done. The CHC rankings seem far more accurate. I have mentioned it before in hopes it would have been corrected or at least explained, but was not. How does the Southern A team end up 4th in the Bantam ratings? They did not play Wonderland (1), lost within their own program to Southern AA (2) 3 times, never played New Canaan (3), nor Ridgefield (5), or Darien (6), or Simsbury (7). Their only win against a final top 8 team was a 1 goal win against Greenwich (8), lost to Yale (9) and Wonderland they split 1-1 (10).
Appreciative
February 24, 2018 at 6:48 am
Thank you for all the work that goes into this rating system. I think the ratings are pretty spot on two years in a row now. This is a much better system then self declaring which tier to compete in.
Overall it accomplishes the goal of making all tournaments competitive and helps a great deal with initial scheduling of appropriate competition.
Thanks for getting rankings posted. I think they are pretty accurate, for what it’s worth – nice job.
It is nuts that we still don’t know brackets/schedules from CHC. Some of these kids play as early as Wed 2/28 (in four days!) potentially 1.5+ hours from home, and parents / coaches will need to take time off work, and kids will need to leave school early.
Anyone known when brackets will be posted? Generally, are the higher ranking “traditional” Tier 4 tourneys assigned to the first or second week, or is there no rhyme/reason? If anyone has the brackets before they are loaded on tournament central, I would greatly appreciate being forwarded the brackets so I can let our team know what to plan for.
Whatever formula that is being used for this needs to be revisited. Again, I have said this before in previous posts, how does the Southern A team end up 4th? They did not play Wonderland (1), lost 3 times to the Southern (AA) team which should not count to play inside your own program, did not play New Canann (3), did not play Ridgefield (5), nor Darien (6), nor Simsbury (7) and played Greenwich (8) once and won a 1 goal game. How does the formula allow this to happen?
I have been complaining about this since January… Makes zero sense. But CHC seems to be happy with the results. Makes a joke out of putting together a tough schedule when it means nothing! I got a canned response with no supporting information. Pathetic!
Admin,
Think you do a great job with this site.
Could you please expound upon your comment on the most recent ratings “Updated Southeastern CT Seahawks U10”.
Southeastern Squirt A dropped 12 rankings (18 to 30) and dropped 6.12 rating points (82.46 to 76.34). That is a pretty significant drop over one weekend.
No second team should be in tier 2, schedules arn’t even close to rest of field, but you will never get a explanation with supporting evidence. The system is obviously corrupt with some of the very questionable moves within the last week, especially in pee wee (way to much shuffling within last week without any reason). It’s a total hand picked and hand aligned tier 2 by CHC to make those programs with two teams in tier 2 feel like their programs are superior or something..good job!! Now go get smoked in tourney, because they have no business being there. System needs to be more transparent and have some integrity.
Total BS with Yale 06 team in Peewee tier 2 and even worse the Southern 2nd Bantam team ranked #4. They played no top teams in Tier 2-except from their own program in a staged events, somehow they couldnt play a good CHC team. No games against Wonderland, Ridgefield, Darien Simsbury New Cannan, I dont think that was an accident. No one from CHC can justify this, the President and Bantam tournament director need to resign. At Best they should be 8-10. You arguebly have 4 of the best 5 teams in one bracket. Idiots
A simple eye ball test tells you the math is flawed or produces an inaccurate result. I will not go as far as saying other factors are at play, but it makes zero sense. Take a look at Tier 2 Bantam between 2 teams and try to explain how this math is correct. Southern A Resume – CHC record of 12-5-3 – record against top 10 teams 1-3 (the one win being against the # 8 team and the other 3 losses against the other Southern AA team). Other key losses to Yale AA and Wonderland A1 who are outside the top 8. Simsbury A Resume – CHC record of 19-6-2 – Tied Wonderland twice,Losses came against New Canann (2), Southern AA (1), Wonderland (1), went 1-1 against Darien and Ridgefield. Beat Yale twice and Wonderland A1 once whom Southern A lost to. So please, explain how the math justifies this. Other than the Wonderland A1 game, all other games against teams outside of Top 8 were not close for Simsbury.
I agree on these last posts. In regards to the final pee wee ranking, how does Yale 06 take such a big leap on last week? Ridgefield and Simsbury should be livid for getting bumped down on this move. And how does Wonderland being top 1 or 2 all year drop to 5 on last week? It’s funny how you have top 3 teams all year long on same side of bracket now in tournament. All this movement on last week of play??? No rhyme or reason. Looks like trying to make a home cooked semis.
who ever is Enough BS & Its wrong, what teams are you? because if you are, say Ridgefield pee wee AA, how can they be higher then they are. they have a record of 7-9-6 in chc games, never beat any one in tier 2 and lost to a team in tier 4! out of the 5 games they won, only team in tier 3….please tell me how they should be higher???
Pikachu..Strength of schedule. Argument could be made for PW, Ridgefield or Darien above Yale 06, despite final record. Each played 6-7 teir 2 teams as Yale played 3 with the rest of games mid to lower tier 3. They have no business in tier 2 as thus It’s wrong’s argument with Sounthern Bantam team..no business being there. Token throw in’s
Rick….with you saying that, Ridgefield and Darien should just be running over everyone in the tier 3 tourney …. oh wait both teams played two games each already and 0 wins. Don’t give me this strength of schedule bs
If you can honestly look at Southern A schedule and say they should be ahead of Ridgefield, Simsbury or Darian your part of the problem. You cant and you wont. Neither will the admin guy. He know’s they have no leg to stand on what so ever. Their Strength of schedule is a joke, the only top 7 team they played was from their own program. To be honest with you the President of Southern should have opted out as well.He knows others below #8 at least tried to play legitimate tier 2 teams.
Congratulations to Southern A. I do not think most were questioning that they were a very good team and deserved to be in this tier 2 tournament. It was a question of how did they rank as high as they did based on the resume of the other teams behind them. That is the question most on these posts are asking, a little transparency on how the rankings are derived, that is all. Someone provided a good explanation as to why the differences exist between these rankings and the CHC rankings, but it still does not answer the question how they were rated so much higher then most would expect when they did not play any of the teams in this tournament except their own program and the 8 seed to a 1-2 record(based on only counting the first 2 games). This website took a poll on how people thought the ratings were and provided a forum to speak to it – if folks running this web page did not want to hear all sides, they should not have had a place to do it. You are going to hear good and bad views. Finally, to state that just because Southern beat Ridgefield vindicates the rankings and proves them accurate, does Simsbury (7) who happened to beat the Southern AA (2) seed prove the rankings were inaccurate?
Now that is a good post. In fact, I don’t disagree with many of your comments.
To be honest, I don’t have any connection or involvement with the Bantam level. The point of my post above was to rile up “Its wrong”. His accusations of corruption and his calls for resignations over a 3 spot difference in rank is a little over the top. Its really funny to a disinterested observer like me, so I thought I’d keep him going.
Anyway, good luck to all the KIDS playing in this tournament….
Below are the rankings from Myhockeyrankings a linked site-somehow CHC decided Southern A should be 4 th instead of 7th. No teams played in top 7 except from their own program- CHC president step in and have some balls or resign.Its Fixed.
1 New Canaan Wildcats A 27-7-8 87.67 2.83 84.84
2 Southern CT Stars AA 26-12-5 87.62 1.29 86.33
3 Wonderland Wizards A 34-7-6 87.53 2.25 85.28
4 Simsbury A 18-8-2 86.21 2.67 83.53
5 Ridgefield Lions AA 9-11-3 85.99 0.34 85.65
6 Darien Wave A 19-16-8 85.91 0.48 85.42
7 Southern CT Stars A 27-12-3 85.15 2.02 83.12
8 Greenwich Skate Club A 19-14-9 84.09 0.02 84.07
9 Wonderland Wizards A1 22-11-5 83.69 1.39 82.30
10 Central CT Capitals (Half) A 9-8-1 83.45 -0.44 83.89
“Somehow CHC decided Southern A should be 4th instead of 7th”.
I’m not sure why so many people have it in for this Southern team, but whatever. But I do think that I can help answer your question about why this ranking differs from myhockeyrankings.com:
1. This ranking includes games against teams just within CHC. myhockeyranking includes all reported games, including against teams outside the CHC.
2. This ranking only counts the first 2 games against each team. Myhockeyrankings counts all games.
3. The max differential here is 6 goals. The max for myhockeyrankings is 7 goals.
Now, if your position is that the rating criteria is ineffective – fine. Argue that. Start a petition. Go to a CHC board meeting. Do something other than yell at a volunteer who enters info into a computer program, and then posts the results.
And like Todd said, who cares anyway? The same 8 teams are in tier 2 according to both lists.
Its wrong…….why are you complain? the same 8 teams are in tier 2…you have to beat good teams in to win it all anyways??? now go out there and win and stop b*tching
The rankings being dead wrong made
The brackets unfair so you will likly not see the best
4 teams in the finals. Don’t say
It doesn’t matter, I can tell you right now wonderland Ridgefield are very happy they are not in the other bracket. If it wasn’t outrageously wrong nobody would be saying boo.
Total Bullshit went on in ranking Peewee and Bantam divisions no question. Chc president putting your head in the sand and hoping no one notices is not good form.
Not that it matters at this point because I believe that the best 2 teams played in the Bantam Final, with the best team all year winning, but there needs to be a hard look at how these rankings are done for next year because it will have a direct impact on how games are scheduled during the regular season going forward based on the precedent that Southern A set. Not speaking for “It’s Wrong’, as he may have gone to an extreme with conspiracy theories, but there is something fundamentally wrong with the current system. I have said it before, not doubting that the Southern A Team was good enough to play in this tournament, but where you fall in the rankings if they are wrong has a enormous impact on the brackets. Southern A got their tourney wins against a #8 seed, whom after the first 7 seeds was a significant drop-off. They won against Ridgefield whom I believe also was ranked a little high and could have easily been a 6 or 7 seed as well. When Southern finally played a top 3 team, and not within their program, what happened? They lost 7-1 to both New Canaan and to Wonderland, both being the largest margin of losses in the tourney. This shows that if you are not willing to play the top teams in the regular season, you should not be allowed to play in that tournament those teams are in. The irony of all of this is that due to the rankings being flawed, it allowed the Southern A team to advance to the semi’s while the much better Southern AA team did not. Congrats to New Canaan and good luck to all those still in the CHC next year.
Quick question. How does CT Ratings quantify/calculate when a team uses AAA Bantam players on a Bantam B team to make roster and blows out the opponent B Team 11-2. Example, on 10/20/18 CT Riverhawks Bamtam B team plays East Haven B team. CT Riverhawks B is according to CT Rankings Score predictor expected to win by 2 goals. East Haven is not able to make roster and uses several AAA Bantam players and wins 11-2. Not sure if game will be contested at CHC
Admin, looking at the games counted (by looking at score predictor & common opponents), there are a lot of Tournament games (non-CHC games) which are included. Could you please verify.
You are correct. I had to make some abrupt adjustments this week.
No tournament games should be included now.
The game log will be posted each week to verify.
Are the ranking weighted at all? I see C teams rated about A teams of the same town. That is impossible that they could possibly be better. In addition, I see A teams playing B teams for wins, that skews the results, right?
Shouldn’t there be some sort of weighting based on the level of teams played/ranking as well as level of team AA/A/B…etc.? I would think that the ratings would be more accurate that way.
You are correct, but over time, it doesn’t matter where you start. With enough observations, the ratings will migrate to the correct levels.
I am trying to avoid having to argue over where each team should begin the season.
The game log for November 3 and 4 is incorrect. Somewhere around line 1215, it begins to duplicate every game and the scores are not correct either. For example, for squirts Yale 2008AA beat Avon 4-0. They are listed (twice) as beating them by 4-2. Yale 06AA beat southern 1-0 but they are listed as beating them once and losing once by 1-2 (seems like in many instances the losing team got 2 goals listed for some reason in the duplicate). Please confirm when this is corrected.
The game log for last weekend is incorrect. Starting around line 1215, it duplicates every game and the scores are also incorrect. For example, for squirts, Yale 08AA beat Avon 4-0. The game is listed twice, each time as 4-2. For peewees, Yale 06AA beat Southern 1-0. The game is listed twice, once as a win 1-0; once as a loss 1-2. Please confirm you are correcting. It appears to be a systematic error affecting many, many games
Rich
February 13, 2017 at 11:58 am
When can we expect the ratings to be updated? Would imagine it would have to be today as some tournaments are this week.
Thanks,
Rich
AKA: Dwight
Admin
February 13, 2017 at 5:27 pm
Dwight,
We are live on bantams, but I am told that PW and squirts will be updated Wednesday, but hopefully sooner.
Anonymous
February 13, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Great compared to years past but needs some work. How is Southern 23-1-2 ranked behind Stamford 18-7-2 who is 1st. Southern played Barrons A twice and killed their ranking. To heavy emphasis on strength of schedule not on play.
If you can’t cancel games then if you are a 6+ on score predictor and win by that margin the game should not hurt you.
Admin
February 13, 2017 at 5:23 pm
I AGREE 100% WITH YOUR COMMENTS.
All I can hope is that the best team wins their respective tournament. Please keep in mind that the goal is to put the right teams in the tournament grouping together and let them sort it out. Although the rankings say #3 is better than #4 and #4 is better than #5, I believe this is false precision.
If you look at any of the tightly grouped teams, it is very difficult to say with confidence that any one team is better than another. There is too much volatility with the rosters, the fact that teams improve over time and frankly, the way the puck bounces.
I sincerely hope that the predictor and the ratings made the season more enjoyable for the kids, the fans and the schedulers. That was the original goal.
Dennis
February 13, 2017 at 5:48 pm
Your system stinks! How can a B team rank ahead of A1 team who plays tougher completion? You screwed this whole system
Kevin
February 15, 2017 at 8:55 am
There are plenty of “A” teams that get beat regularly by “B” teams. If the A team you’re talking about has a better record against like opponents, then your gripe is warranted. Use the score predictor to compare the two teams in question. My guess is your A team isn’t really playing better competition than the B team.
Dennis
February 13, 2017 at 5:49 pm
Your system stinks! How can a B team rank ahead of A1 team who plays tougher competition? You screwed this whole system
Keith
February 7, 2018 at 12:45 pm
This is funny. An A1 team really is a B team. Organizations use A1 many times instead of B to make people feel better about placement but in the end A1 is still the second team (B).
Bluedevil
February 13, 2017 at 5:00 pm
I would hope the goal difference after 6 goals is not a factor. at the squirt and even PW level we don’t want teams trying to beat teams by 15 goals to prove a point do we? When u have a bomb squad u shouldn’t be scheduling games against anybody but T2 high level teams. It’s no fun for either side.
Admin
February 13, 2017 at 5:26 pm
Formulaically, goal differences beyond 6 do not really help. My original hope was that games like that would not be scheduled. I agree that it is no fun for either team and parents alike.
Bluedevil
February 13, 2017 at 8:10 pm
I think the teams not participating in the chc need to be removed for the eye to see top 8 then top 12 for t2 and t3. Some of the teams like MFF are t1 and won’t participate in states.
Dwight K Schrute
February 14, 2017 at 11:03 am
Just use Tier “4”, this removes the noise.
ALC
February 15, 2017 at 9:09 am
Thanks for working on a data-based ratings system. Self tier declaration is not a real indicator of team ability. I think this is a great step forwards for CT hockey
Patrick Copy
February 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
Sir its Wednesday!!!
Hockey Dad
February 15, 2017 at 3:47 pm
Ok Wednesday is here and the Squirt still not updated. We all have lives and need to know what tournament our kids are playing in. Any idea when this is going to update???????
Perspective
February 16, 2017 at 1:57 pm
To everyone leaving nasty comments … why don’t you volunteer to help out rather than remind the admin what day it is or say the system stinks. Trolls.
DC
February 17, 2017 at 3:18 pm
I recently learned of this site and think whomever runs it is doing a great job. A rating system is always a blend of art and science, and it’s impossible to please everyone. Still, it seems that the objective of providing a better means to gauge the relative strength of teams has been achieved. Quibbling about the difference between one spot in a ranking misses the point of the exercise. Thanks for the hard work.
Parent
February 18, 2017 at 11:05 am
Except the CHC is using these ranking to determine placement in post season tournaments, so one spot can absolutely make a difference. I agree that the site is a great tool for schedule making and hope that all organizations use it going forward to ensure competitive matchups for the kids. But, when you have a team make the tournament for the top 8 teams in the state when they are under .500, or when you end up with an A1 team ahead of an A team in the same program, there are quite obviously some flaws in using the system to determine Tournament placement.
Itworks
February 19, 2018 at 5:44 am
Some teams will load their schedule against stronger teams. Others will have a mix and some may even play the majority of their games against weaker teams in the state.
If your team plays weaker teams and goes 22-0 making tier 2 top 8 it doesn’t mean they can compete there. It doesn’t even mean they deserve to be there. A few years ago a team went into a tier 3 tournament and blew the doors off. Had this system been implemented back then they would’ve been properly placed against teams alike. This system to some degree takes away from ones ability to manipulate tier placement by loading up on weaker teams accumulating a greater wins to loss ratio.
If you primary play top 8 in state and come away at .500 why should a team playing more games in the 9-20 with a .750 be placed above them? Not really sure it can be done any better than its current state. We should have some degree of gratitude that there is a system in place that is about as fair as it gets.
A1, A, AA it doesn’t really matter anymore. The letter doesn’t score goals. If a program happens to have an A and an A1 that is competitive then that programs A1 may beat many A teams from other programs.
I hope this helped in some way. Pay more attention to head to head results and ignore the letters. If you use the score predictor it will not only show you who’s expected to win but will also provide the amount of goals needed to gain rating points. Scroll down further and it shows alike matchups and results.
What your team is doing compared to other teams based on the goal diff is much more accurate than loading up on a weak schedule, coming away with a bunch of wins and getting slammed in a tier 2 tournament because you didn’t belong there in the first place.
Patrick Copy
February 21, 2017 at 3:23 pm
Why isn’t Pee Wee tournament seeds post yet.
All squirts and bantams are, why not pee wee?
Meaghan
December 13, 2017 at 11:38 am
Who do we contact if one of our CHC games is not posted. I’m assuming it would hurt us in the rankings.
Hockey Dad
December 15, 2017 at 9:32 pm
Who do we need to contact for a game that is missing on our ratings. The game is listed on our website and the CHC website but not on here. It’s a game the will help us in the ratings. Please let me know. Thanks. Keep up the good work the ratings based on the top teams in our division are pretty much dead on.
Admin
December 15, 2017 at 11:16 pm
Please send email to admin@cthockeyratings.com
I will also post the game log on the home page.
Thank you
Hockey Dad
December 16, 2017 at 10:58 pm
Thank you email sent
Rico
January 12, 2018 at 9:47 am
For rankings, its it just the first 20 CHC games that are counted? Or if you play 30 games against diff teams do they all count as well?
Admin
January 14, 2018 at 9:33 am
Thank you for your question.
I believe all the games count.
However,
1) a team must play at least 20.
2) if you play the same team twice, only the first 2 games count.
-admin
Mike
January 15, 2018 at 8:26 am
Will the Mid Fairfield Squirt A be removed from the ratings? They are an undeclared team and won’t even have the minimum 20 games played to qualify.
Rico
January 16, 2018 at 8:43 am
Admin,
Can you please email me, I have a question about the most recent update.
Thanks,
Rico
Carlton
January 21, 2018 at 8:22 am
Why haven’t the rankings been updated?
Steve
January 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm
Will the weekly rankings be published each Friday as indicated on the CHC website or some other regular weekly schedule?
Thank you
Rico
January 23, 2018 at 8:27 am
How does a Bantam team that has only played 3 tier 2 teams end up in 5th place with only 1 win? Defies logic…
Bryan
January 30, 2018 at 11:56 am
When dose the games begin to not matter I know last year it was feb 6 I was wondering when this year will be ?
Admin
February 7, 2018 at 1:05 pm
February 18 is the date after which games do NOT count.
Keith
February 19, 2018 at 12:58 pm
The 2/11 U12 game between Wallingford B and Central B on the game log is wrong. You have listed Wallingford winning 5-3 when Central beat Wallingford 5-4.
Admin
February 21, 2018 at 10:43 pm
The CHC site and the ratings log show the game as a tie.
Sun 02/11/2018 3:40p Newington Red Central CT Y12U B T 5 5
Brian
February 20, 2018 at 9:08 am
When will final rankings be released?
Admin
February 20, 2018 at 12:17 pm
We are shooting for this friday
Hockey Dad
February 21, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Anyway there going to be done before Friday so we know what day and time were playing next week in the Tier 2 tournament. Thanks
Brian
February 23, 2018 at 8:34 am
Trying to make plans for the tourney, are they still planned to be released today?
Pikachu
February 23, 2018 at 10:19 am
well its Friday morning and its still not updated!!!
Admin
February 23, 2018 at 11:04 am
The ratings are done.
CHC is reviewing right now.
Should be released this evening.
Anonymous
February 23, 2018 at 11:29 am
Will the game log be attached so that we can review?
Ash
February 23, 2018 at 2:34 pm
Why does CHC have to review them?
Admin
February 23, 2018 at 8:26 pm
i guess they don’t but that is what i have been doing for the past several years.
Puckhead
February 24, 2018 at 6:30 am
Thanks for getting the ratings done – do you know how much longer it typically takes until the brackets are set? Honestly, it’s nuts that some of these kids will have games far from home as early as Wed afternoon requiring them to leave school early and parents and coaches to take time off work, and yet we still have no idea what the schedules are.
Anonymous
February 24, 2018 at 4:31 pm
You really need to explain how these ratings are done. The CHC rankings seem far more accurate. I have mentioned it before in hopes it would have been corrected or at least explained, but was not. How does the Southern A team end up 4th in the Bantam ratings? They did not play Wonderland (1), lost within their own program to Southern AA (2) 3 times, never played New Canaan (3), nor Ridgefield (5), or Darien (6), or Simsbury (7). Their only win against a final top 8 team was a 1 goal win against Greenwich (8), lost to Yale (9) and Wonderland they split 1-1 (10).
Appreciative
February 24, 2018 at 6:48 am
Thank you for all the work that goes into this rating system. I think the ratings are pretty spot on two years in a row now. This is a much better system then self declaring which tier to compete in.
Overall it accomplishes the goal of making all tournaments competitive and helps a great deal with initial scheduling of appropriate competition.
Thanks
Puckhead
February 24, 2018 at 7:12 am
Thanks for getting rankings posted. I think they are pretty accurate, for what it’s worth – nice job.
It is nuts that we still don’t know brackets/schedules from CHC. Some of these kids play as early as Wed 2/28 (in four days!) potentially 1.5+ hours from home, and parents / coaches will need to take time off work, and kids will need to leave school early.
Anyone known when brackets will be posted? Generally, are the higher ranking “traditional” Tier 4 tourneys assigned to the first or second week, or is there no rhyme/reason? If anyone has the brackets before they are loaded on tournament central, I would greatly appreciate being forwarded the brackets so I can let our team know what to plan for.
Thanks!
Vicki Swanson
February 24, 2018 at 7:52 am
I am trying to find the game log but having difficulty finding it. Please advise on where to locate it. Thank you.
Admin
February 24, 2018 at 8:49 am
There is a link
It says game log (final)
Anonymous
February 24, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Whatever formula that is being used for this needs to be revisited. Again, I have said this before in previous posts, how does the Southern A team end up 4th? They did not play Wonderland (1), lost 3 times to the Southern (AA) team which should not count to play inside your own program, did not play New Canann (3), did not play Ridgefield (5), nor Darien (6), nor Simsbury (7) and played Greenwich (8) once and won a 1 goal game. How does the formula allow this to happen?
Rich C
February 27, 2018 at 1:33 pm
I have been complaining about this since January… Makes zero sense. But CHC seems to be happy with the results. Makes a joke out of putting together a tough schedule when it means nothing! I got a canned response with no supporting information. Pathetic!
Disgusted
February 28, 2018 at 8:59 am
Great points that need to be explained!!!
Mike
February 26, 2018 at 8:10 am
Admin,
Think you do a great job with this site.
Could you please expound upon your comment on the most recent ratings “Updated Southeastern CT Seahawks U10”.
Southeastern Squirt A dropped 12 rankings (18 to 30) and dropped 6.12 rating points (82.46 to 76.34). That is a pretty significant drop over one weekend.
Enough BS
February 27, 2018 at 8:42 am
No second team should be in tier 2, schedules arn’t even close to rest of field, but you will never get a explanation with supporting evidence. The system is obviously corrupt with some of the very questionable moves within the last week, especially in pee wee (way to much shuffling within last week without any reason). It’s a total hand picked and hand aligned tier 2 by CHC to make those programs with two teams in tier 2 feel like their programs are superior or something..good job!! Now go get smoked in tourney, because they have no business being there. System needs to be more transparent and have some integrity.
Its wrong
February 27, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Total BS with Yale 06 team in Peewee tier 2 and even worse the Southern 2nd Bantam team ranked #4. They played no top teams in Tier 2-except from their own program in a staged events, somehow they couldnt play a good CHC team. No games against Wonderland, Ridgefield, Darien Simsbury New Cannan, I dont think that was an accident. No one from CHC can justify this, the President and Bantam tournament director need to resign. At Best they should be 8-10. You arguebly have 4 of the best 5 teams in one bracket. Idiots
Anonymous
February 27, 2018 at 12:29 pm
There’s no conspiracy here. The guy doing this is a volunteer, so he has no incentive to manipulate the data.
Just because people don’t understand the exact way the calculations are made doesn’t mean that the method is flawed. Or corrupt. Or inaccurate.
I doubt that most people would understand the math anyway, even if he did share the exact method.
Anonymous
February 27, 2018 at 2:57 pm
A simple eye ball test tells you the math is flawed or produces an inaccurate result. I will not go as far as saying other factors are at play, but it makes zero sense. Take a look at Tier 2 Bantam between 2 teams and try to explain how this math is correct. Southern A Resume – CHC record of 12-5-3 – record against top 10 teams 1-3 (the one win being against the # 8 team and the other 3 losses against the other Southern AA team). Other key losses to Yale AA and Wonderland A1 who are outside the top 8. Simsbury A Resume – CHC record of 19-6-2 – Tied Wonderland twice,Losses came against New Canann (2), Southern AA (1), Wonderland (1), went 1-1 against Darien and Ridgefield. Beat Yale twice and Wonderland A1 once whom Southern A lost to. So please, explain how the math justifies this. Other than the Wonderland A1 game, all other games against teams outside of Top 8 were not close for Simsbury.
Rick
February 27, 2018 at 1:37 pm
I agree on these last posts. In regards to the final pee wee ranking, how does Yale 06 take such a big leap on last week? Ridgefield and Simsbury should be livid for getting bumped down on this move. And how does Wonderland being top 1 or 2 all year drop to 5 on last week? It’s funny how you have top 3 teams all year long on same side of bracket now in tournament. All this movement on last week of play??? No rhyme or reason. Looks like trying to make a home cooked semis.
Pikachu
February 27, 2018 at 2:11 pm
who ever is Enough BS & Its wrong, what teams are you? because if you are, say Ridgefield pee wee AA, how can they be higher then they are. they have a record of 7-9-6 in chc games, never beat any one in tier 2 and lost to a team in tier 4! out of the 5 games they won, only team in tier 3….please tell me how they should be higher???
Rick
February 27, 2018 at 3:11 pm
Pikachu..Strength of schedule. Argument could be made for PW, Ridgefield or Darien above Yale 06, despite final record. Each played 6-7 teir 2 teams as Yale played 3 with the rest of games mid to lower tier 3. They have no business in tier 2 as thus It’s wrong’s argument with Sounthern Bantam team..no business being there. Token throw in’s
Pikachu
March 9, 2018 at 9:40 pm
Rick….with you saying that, Ridgefield and Darien should just be running over everyone in the tier 3 tourney …. oh wait both teams played two games each already and 0 wins. Don’t give me this strength of schedule bs
Its wrong
February 27, 2018 at 1:58 pm
If you can honestly look at Southern A schedule and say they should be ahead of Ridgefield, Simsbury or Darian your part of the problem. You cant and you wont. Neither will the admin guy. He know’s they have no leg to stand on what so ever. Their Strength of schedule is a joke, the only top 7 team they played was from their own program. To be honest with you the President of Southern should have opted out as well.He knows others below #8 at least tried to play legitimate tier 2 teams.
Bob Abooey
March 2, 2018 at 9:25 pm
Hmmm……
Southern A just beat Ridgefield. So maybe these rankings are more accurate than you think.
Or were the officials for that game in on the conspiracy also?
Anonymous
March 3, 2018 at 7:57 am
Congratulations to Southern A. I do not think most were questioning that they were a very good team and deserved to be in this tier 2 tournament. It was a question of how did they rank as high as they did based on the resume of the other teams behind them. That is the question most on these posts are asking, a little transparency on how the rankings are derived, that is all. Someone provided a good explanation as to why the differences exist between these rankings and the CHC rankings, but it still does not answer the question how they were rated so much higher then most would expect when they did not play any of the teams in this tournament except their own program and the 8 seed to a 1-2 record(based on only counting the first 2 games). This website took a poll on how people thought the ratings were and provided a forum to speak to it – if folks running this web page did not want to hear all sides, they should not have had a place to do it. You are going to hear good and bad views. Finally, to state that just because Southern beat Ridgefield vindicates the rankings and proves them accurate, does Simsbury (7) who happened to beat the Southern AA (2) seed prove the rankings were inaccurate?
Bob Abooey
March 3, 2018 at 10:43 am
Now that is a good post. In fact, I don’t disagree with many of your comments.
To be honest, I don’t have any connection or involvement with the Bantam level. The point of my post above was to rile up “Its wrong”. His accusations of corruption and his calls for resignations over a 3 spot difference in rank is a little over the top. Its really funny to a disinterested observer like me, so I thought I’d keep him going.
Anyway, good luck to all the KIDS playing in this tournament….
Its wrong
February 27, 2018 at 2:33 pm
Below are the rankings from Myhockeyrankings a linked site-somehow CHC decided Southern A should be 4 th instead of 7th. No teams played in top 7 except from their own program- CHC president step in and have some balls or resign.Its Fixed.
1 New Canaan Wildcats A 27-7-8 87.67 2.83 84.84
2 Southern CT Stars AA 26-12-5 87.62 1.29 86.33
3 Wonderland Wizards A 34-7-6 87.53 2.25 85.28
4 Simsbury A 18-8-2 86.21 2.67 83.53
5 Ridgefield Lions AA 9-11-3 85.99 0.34 85.65
6 Darien Wave A 19-16-8 85.91 0.48 85.42
7 Southern CT Stars A 27-12-3 85.15 2.02 83.12
8 Greenwich Skate Club A 19-14-9 84.09 0.02 84.07
9 Wonderland Wizards A1 22-11-5 83.69 1.39 82.30
10 Central CT Capitals (Half) A 9-8-1 83.45 -0.44 83.89
Anonymous
February 28, 2018 at 10:47 am
“Somehow CHC decided Southern A should be 4th instead of 7th”.
I’m not sure why so many people have it in for this Southern team, but whatever. But I do think that I can help answer your question about why this ranking differs from myhockeyrankings.com:
1. This ranking includes games against teams just within CHC. myhockeyranking includes all reported games, including against teams outside the CHC.
2. This ranking only counts the first 2 games against each team. Myhockeyrankings counts all games.
3. The max differential here is 6 goals. The max for myhockeyrankings is 7 goals.
Now, if your position is that the rating criteria is ineffective – fine. Argue that. Start a petition. Go to a CHC board meeting. Do something other than yell at a volunteer who enters info into a computer program, and then posts the results.
And like Todd said, who cares anyway? The same 8 teams are in tier 2 according to both lists.
Todd
February 27, 2018 at 4:43 pm
Its wrong…….why are you complain? the same 8 teams are in tier 2…you have to beat good teams in to win it all anyways??? now go out there and win and stop b*tching
It’s wrong
February 27, 2018 at 5:08 pm
The rankings being dead wrong made
The brackets unfair so you will likly not see the best
4 teams in the finals. Don’t say
It doesn’t matter, I can tell you right now wonderland Ridgefield are very happy they are not in the other bracket. If it wasn’t outrageously wrong nobody would be saying boo.
It’s wrong
March 1, 2018 at 10:05 pm
Total Bullshit went on in ranking Peewee and Bantam divisions no question. Chc president putting your head in the sand and hoping no one notices is not good form.
???
March 3, 2018 at 1:30 pm
It’s wrong…..grow a pair a tell me what team you are with???
Todd
March 3, 2018 at 1:40 pm
FYI Southern A is 2-0 as of right now……..so what are you gonna say now Its wrong???
Anonymous
March 5, 2018 at 9:14 am
Not that it matters at this point because I believe that the best 2 teams played in the Bantam Final, with the best team all year winning, but there needs to be a hard look at how these rankings are done for next year because it will have a direct impact on how games are scheduled during the regular season going forward based on the precedent that Southern A set. Not speaking for “It’s Wrong’, as he may have gone to an extreme with conspiracy theories, but there is something fundamentally wrong with the current system. I have said it before, not doubting that the Southern A Team was good enough to play in this tournament, but where you fall in the rankings if they are wrong has a enormous impact on the brackets. Southern A got their tourney wins against a #8 seed, whom after the first 7 seeds was a significant drop-off. They won against Ridgefield whom I believe also was ranked a little high and could have easily been a 6 or 7 seed as well. When Southern finally played a top 3 team, and not within their program, what happened? They lost 7-1 to both New Canaan and to Wonderland, both being the largest margin of losses in the tourney. This shows that if you are not willing to play the top teams in the regular season, you should not be allowed to play in that tournament those teams are in. The irony of all of this is that due to the rankings being flawed, it allowed the Southern A team to advance to the semi’s while the much better Southern AA team did not. Congrats to New Canaan and good luck to all those still in the CHC next year.
Pikachu
March 3, 2018 at 9:36 pm
It’s wrong,,,,,
Looks like the “second” teams held there own.
Southern A made crossovers and Yale 06 was 1 point from making crossovers.
Got anything else to say now?
N/A
October 23, 2018 at 2:44 am
Quick question. How does CT Ratings quantify/calculate when a team uses AAA Bantam players on a Bantam B team to make roster and blows out the opponent B Team 11-2. Example, on 10/20/18 CT Riverhawks Bamtam B team plays East Haven B team. CT Riverhawks B is according to CT Rankings Score predictor expected to win by 2 goals. East Haven is not able to make roster and uses several AAA Bantam players and wins 11-2. Not sure if game will be contested at CHC
CTHockey
October 24, 2018 at 7:53 am
How often will the rankings be updated for the 2018/19 Season? For all levels.
Admin
October 29, 2018 at 5:52 pm
Every week – usually late Thursday
CT Hockey
October 25, 2018 at 9:23 am
How often will the rankings be updated for the current 18/19 season?
Mike
November 2, 2018 at 8:46 am
Admin, looking at the games counted (by looking at score predictor & common opponents), there are a lot of Tournament games (non-CHC games) which are included. Could you please verify.
Admin
November 8, 2018 at 12:33 am
You are correct. I had to make some abrupt adjustments this week.
No tournament games should be included now.
The game log will be posted each week to verify.
CT Hockey
November 6, 2018 at 9:06 am
Are the ranking weighted at all? I see C teams rated about A teams of the same town. That is impossible that they could possibly be better. In addition, I see A teams playing B teams for wins, that skews the results, right?
Shouldn’t there be some sort of weighting based on the level of teams played/ranking as well as level of team AA/A/B…etc.? I would think that the ratings would be more accurate that way.
Admin
November 8, 2018 at 12:32 am
You are correct, but over time, it doesn’t matter where you start. With enough observations, the ratings will migrate to the correct levels.
I am trying to avoid having to argue over where each team should begin the season.
Anonymous
November 8, 2018 at 9:26 am
Hi Admin,
The game log for November 3 and 4 is incorrect. Somewhere around line 1215, it begins to duplicate every game and the scores are not correct either. For example, for squirts Yale 2008AA beat Avon 4-0. They are listed (twice) as beating them by 4-2. Yale 06AA beat southern 1-0 but they are listed as beating them once and losing once by 1-2 (seems like in many instances the losing team got 2 goals listed for some reason in the duplicate). Please confirm when this is corrected.
Admin
November 9, 2018 at 11:32 pm
thank you for pointing that out. that is fixed now.
Name
November 8, 2018 at 9:26 am
You have a lot of wrong scores out there to, which is effecting the rankings!
Name
November 8, 2018 at 9:28 am
also can we start a new post here we have post from early 2017 on this one
Admin
November 9, 2018 at 11:32 pm
that has been created.
Name
November 13, 2018 at 10:23 am
Where can i create one?
Name
November 13, 2018 at 10:44 am
all posts have been created by admin and theres no where to post a new one for people
Kim
November 8, 2018 at 9:34 am
The game log for last weekend is incorrect. Starting around line 1215, it duplicates every game and the scores are also incorrect. For example, for squirts, Yale 08AA beat Avon 4-0. The game is listed twice, each time as 4-2. For peewees, Yale 06AA beat Southern 1-0. The game is listed twice, once as a win 1-0; once as a loss 1-2. Please confirm you are correcting. It appears to be a systematic error affecting many, many games
Admin
November 9, 2018 at 11:33 pm
that should be corrected now.
Name
December 5, 2018 at 12:24 pm
so can you start a new post —— 2018-2019 season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Philips
February 4, 2019 at 7:58 am
when will the last ratings come out?